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governor romney says we should replace it. i'm just going to repeal it but we could replace it with something. he hasn't described what we'll replace it with, other than saying we'll leave it to the states. but the fact of the matter is, some is of the prescriptions that he's offered like letting you buy insurance across state lines, there's no indication that that somehow will help somebody who has a pre-existing condition able to finally buy insurance. in fact, it's estimated by repealing obama care you're looking at 50 million people losing health insurance at a time when it's vitally important. get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from
governor romney says we should replace it. i'm just going to repeal it but we could replace it with something. he hasn't described what we'll replace it with, other than saying we'll leave it to the states. but the fact of the matter is, some is of the prescriptions that he's offered like letting you buy insurance across state lines, there's no indication that that somehow will help somebody who has a pre-existing condition able to finally buy insurance. in fact, it's estimated by repealing...
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governor romney says we should replace it. i'm just going to repeal it, but we can replace it with something. but the problem is, he has to describe exactly -- what exactly we'd replace it with, other than saying we're going to leave it to the states. the fact of the matter is that some of the prescriptions that he's offered, like letting you buy insurance across state lines, there's no indication that that somehow is you to help somebody who's got a pre- existing condition be able to finally buy insurance. in fact, it's estimated that by repealing obamacare, you're looking at 50 million people losing health insurance at a time when it's vitally important. >> let's let the governor explain what you do if obamacare is repealed. how would you replace it? >> well, actually, it's a lengthy description, but number one, preexisting conditions are covered under my plan. number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. that's already offered in the private marketplace. you don't have to let the government mandate that f
governor romney says we should replace it. i'm just going to repeal it, but we can replace it with something. but the problem is, he has to describe exactly -- what exactly we'd replace it with, other than saying we're going to leave it to the states. the fact of the matter is that some of the prescriptions that he's offered, like letting you buy insurance across state lines, there's no indication that that somehow is you to help somebody who's got a pre- existing condition be able to finally...
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it was blocked by someone in governor romney's party. anamepcana has put a hold on the cost of living adjustment to the surviving spouses and children's yment for soldiers killed in the war. the same hold is also affecting the disability payments to soldiers who are wounded in the war. some republican senator is blocking ts. weon'tnow o. governor romne here's a place to start. you are now the leader of the republican party. i realize you're having a hard time getting the training wheels off when it comes to national security, but here's an easy one. should that senator from your own party lift that hold on the cost of ving adjen the eno the people who we sort of owe it to? should a republican senator who's holding this up keep that hold in place or drop it? you're the leader of that party. do you have anything to say on this? here's another one. veterans jobs corps bill we and ghanistan veterans have an unemployment rate 35% higher than the rest of the country now. this bill comes to the senate floor and is blocked by republican senators
it was blocked by someone in governor romney's party. anamepcana has put a hold on the cost of living adjustment to the surviving spouses and children's yment for soldiers killed in the war. the same hold is also affecting the disability payments to soldiers who are wounded in the war. some republican senator is blocking ts. weon'tnow o. governor romne here's a place to start. you are now the leader of the republican party. i realize you're having a hard time getting the training wheels off...
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listen, i believe in governor romney. i believe in him as a >> this is a closed captioning test. >> this is only a test. >>> please stand by. l polls here say 65% of the seniors in florida don't want to change medicare. 59% in ohio. 56% in virginia. did the campaign make a mistake by going off in this direction? i think most people know you've got to reform medicare, but they don't seem to be taking-- seniors don't seem to be taking very well what mitt romney and paul ryan want to do about it. >> well, the first-- the first bit of good news is that mitt romney and paul ryan are not going to change medicare for those seniors. they're going to change medicare for folks like me, who just turned 50, and younger, who are going to need to know that if you want to have any semblance of medicare, you're going to have to make some changes to it. here's the dirty little secret, bob-- the president of the united states knows that, too, but he's not talkin talking abo. he's not being honest with the american people about it. in the e
listen, i believe in governor romney. i believe in him as a >> this is a closed captioning test. >> this is only a test. >>> please stand by. l polls here say 65% of the seniors in florida don't want to change medicare. 59% in ohio. 56% in virginia. did the campaign make a mistake by going off in this direction? i think most people know you've got to reform medicare, but they don't seem to be taking-- seniors don't seem to be taking very well what mitt romney and paul ryan...
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governor romney you go first. and the question is this what are the differences between the two of you as to how you would go about tackling the deficit problem in this country? >> romney: i'm glad you raised that. and it's a critical issue. i think it's not just an economic issue, i think it is a moral issue. i think it's not moral for my generation to keep spending massively more than we take in knowing those burdens will be passed on to the next generation, and the amount of debt we're adding a trillion a year is simply not moral. how do we deal with it? mathematically there are three ways. one of course is to raise taxes. number two is to cut spending and number 3 is to grow the economy, because if more people work in a growing economy, they are paying taxes and you can get the job done that way. the president would prefer raising taxes, i understand. the problem with raising taxes is it slows down the rate of growth. i want to lower spending and encourage economic growth at the same time. what would i cut? fi
governor romney you go first. and the question is this what are the differences between the two of you as to how you would go about tackling the deficit problem in this country? >> romney: i'm glad you raised that. and it's a critical issue. i think it's not just an economic issue, i think it is a moral issue. i think it's not moral for my generation to keep spending massively more than we take in knowing those burdens will be passed on to the next generation, and the amount of debt we're...
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governor romney will try to put him off-balance. he has to relax, he has to show a little sense of humor, show why he's likable. that's all nonverbal clues. >> maggie, doesn't mitt romney also in this debate, he needs to have a moment that dominates news coverage in the days coming out. >> yes, absolutely. to governor dean's point, i agree. there's a concern for the president in not looking like mitt romney is getting to him. >> let's show some of that. we have a little mon stage of the best and worst moments of each candidate in their debate and i tell you what, 10,000 bucks. $10,000 bet. >> i'm not in the betting business. >> he's very likable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough, hillary. >> thank you. >> the idea that i'm anti-immigrant is repulsive. >> when the war started you said that it was going to quick and easy. you said we knew where the weapons of mass destruction. you were wrong. each candidate are much better when they're on offense. but, one of this things we're seeing telegraphed
governor romney will try to put him off-balance. he has to relax, he has to show a little sense of humor, show why he's likable. that's all nonverbal clues. >> maggie, doesn't mitt romney also in this debate, he needs to have a moment that dominates news coverage in the days coming out. >> yes, absolutely. to governor dean's point, i agree. there's a concern for the president in not looking like mitt romney is getting to him. >> let's show some of that. we have a little mon...
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>>neil: have you campaigned with governor romney? i have been a sure gatt and helped out in november. we going this weekend to help out in ohio. we are excited. i am trying to run two campaigns and this is what we are going to have to do to save the country. >>neil: thank you, mia, thank you. >> and a tweet not so sweet for a former republican president, saying governor romney's performance, the best in 20 years. dana, what was bill kristol talking about? >>guest: i assume he was talking about romney, quite a compliment coming from bill cross tall because he is not always so enthusiastic about romney. but it seemed he was impressed. >>neil: who was he comparing to? >>guest: you want me to say that he was say he was better than my former boss, george bush, but the most likely to say that mitt romney did better would probably be 43. i have not talked to him there is no one more gracious than president george w. bush except maybe his dad. >>neil: does this gal epaize the base in they think it is winnable, and karl rove says the numbers
>>neil: have you campaigned with governor romney? i have been a sure gatt and helped out in november. we going this weekend to help out in ohio. we are excited. i am trying to run two campaigns and this is what we are going to have to do to save the country. >>neil: thank you, mia, thank you. >> and a tweet not so sweet for a former republican president, saying governor romney's performance, the best in 20 years. dana, what was bill kristol talking about? >>guest: i...
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governor romney has ruled out revenue. he's ruled out revenue. >> lehrer: that's true. >> absolutely. >> lehrer: completely? >> the revenue i get is by more people working getting higher pay paying more taxes. that's how we get growth and balance the budget. but the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain. spain spends 42% of their total economy on government. >> lehrer: okay. >> we're now spending 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path to spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money coming in because they're working. >> lehrer: mr. president you're saying in order to get the job done it's got to be balanced? >> if we're serious we've got to take a balanced responsible approach. and by the way this is not just when it comes to individual taxes. let's talk about corporate taxes. now i've identified areas where we can right away make a change that i believe w
governor romney has ruled out revenue. he's ruled out revenue. >> lehrer: that's true. >> absolutely. >> lehrer: completely? >> the revenue i get is by more people working getting higher pay paying more taxes. that's how we get growth and balance the budget. but the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain. spain spends 42% of their total economy on government. >>...
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and i think what governor romney did was inelegantly say something. what he believes is everybody in america should have skin in the game. everybody in the america has to be part of a shared sacrifice to create opportunity for greatness again for our people and our country. and he's going to convey that message on wednesday night clearly and directly to the american people. and i'm telling you, bob, thursday morning you're all going to be scratching your heads and saying, "wow, we have a barn burner for the next 33 days." >> schieffer: it's certainly going to come as a surprise to a lot of republicans, as you well know, if that is the case, because some of the leading voices, people like bill kristol, of the "weekly standard" and peggy noonan from the "wall street journal" and billy kristol said the 47% thing was stupid. peggy noon nan said it more elegantly, but she said same thing. when you talk to some of these republicans when they don't use their names, they're even more critical thus far. >> of course they are when you don't use their names. eve
and i think what governor romney did was inelegantly say something. what he believes is everybody in america should have skin in the game. everybody in the america has to be part of a shared sacrifice to create opportunity for greatness again for our people and our country. and he's going to convey that message on wednesday night clearly and directly to the american people. and i'm telling you, bob, thursday morning you're all going to be scratching your heads and saying, "wow, we have a...
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governor romney, i look forward to him recognizing and articulating the fact that the governor doesn't have a revenue problem, there is a spenning problem and what he wants to do about that. he won last night and the momentum's on his side. >> greta: what do you think happened last night? a lot of people thought that -- and certainly, even president obama's strongest supporters, is that he -- he just was not on his game at all. was it that he wasn't prepared? or that he doesn't have the arguments? or that he wasn't interested in or a bad night? what's your thought? >> he can't defend his record. he can't defend the failed policies that have been implemented that have added so greatly to our debt, the deficit spending, the broken promises, unemployment numbers, the allies on the international stage who are now confused and more distrustful of america. all the problems that have been created in the last four years, his failed policies leading to those problems. he couldn't defend them. so he was lost in having a strong, core conviction about why he should be elected. he didn't have a tre
governor romney, i look forward to him recognizing and articulating the fact that the governor doesn't have a revenue problem, there is a spenning problem and what he wants to do about that. he won last night and the momentum's on his side. >> greta: what do you think happened last night? a lot of people thought that -- and certainly, even president obama's strongest supporters, is that he -- he just was not on his game at all. was it that he wasn't prepared? or that he doesn't have the...
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duval patrick followed romney as governor. he's co-chairman of the obama campaign and one of the president's staunchest defenders. what did he make of president obama's debate performance? he joins me now. governor, the general consensus seems to be your man took one hell of a shellacking. >> i think the president had a good debate but i think romney had a better one, to tell you the truth, especially on style points. we know governor romney from our time here in massachusetts, his time here in massachusetts. we know him to be a very effective salesman and he was selling. the problem is what he was selling won't actually do what he says it will do. it will not grow opportunity from the middle out. >> tell me this, though. i remember when we spoke at the dnc convention, you said, you made a big speech, we talked about it afterwards, time for the party to show some backbone. by party, obviously including the president. last night he didn't seem to have any backbone whatsoever. what was the whole strategy of just staring down at
duval patrick followed romney as governor. he's co-chairman of the obama campaign and one of the president's staunchest defenders. what did he make of president obama's debate performance? he joins me now. governor, the general consensus seems to be your man took one hell of a shellacking. >> i think the president had a good debate but i think romney had a better one, to tell you the truth, especially on style points. we know governor romney from our time here in massachusetts, his time...
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>>> governor romney lives to fight another day. many of president obama's key supporters voicing their disappointment today that he did not take on governor romney when he had an opportunity. here's some of the headlines. in fact, the "los angeles times" says, quote, obama fans are shocked by mitt romney's dominance in debate. "the chicago tribune" said for obama words not said spoke the loude loudest. it said obama hit with a left hook on tv and online. the president is hitted to wisconsin, but not before taking one last parting shot a a fiery rally in denver not too long ago. >> when i got onto the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. it couldn't have been mitt romney, because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts to pay for the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> around the same time governor romney was making a surprise appearance at the conservative political action conference,
>>> governor romney lives to fight another day. many of president obama's key supporters voicing their disappointment today that he did not take on governor romney when he had an opportunity. here's some of the headlines. in fact, the "los angeles times" says, quote, obama fans are shocked by mitt romney's dominance in debate. "the chicago tribune" said for obama words not said spoke the loude loudest. it said obama hit with a left hook on tv and online. the...
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obama: governor romney has ruled out revenue. romney: look, the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, pay more taxes. that's how we get growth and balance the budget. the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, he'll never get there. he never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain spends 42% of their total economy and government. we are now spending 42% of our economy and government. i don't want to go down the path of spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money coming and because they are working. >> moderator: mr. president, you say in order to get the job done it's got to be balanced. obama: if we are serious camargo to take a balanced responsible approach. this is not just when it comes to individual taxes. let's talk about corporate taxes. now, i identified areas where we can right away make a change that i believe would actually help the economy. the oil industry is $4 billion a year in corporate welfare. basically they get deduction
obama: governor romney has ruled out revenue. romney: look, the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, pay more taxes. that's how we get growth and balance the budget. the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, he'll never get there. he never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain spends 42% of their total economy and government. we are now spending 42% of our economy and government. i don't want to go down the path of spain. i want to go down the...
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governor romney says we should replace it. i'm just going to repeal it but we can replace it with something. but the problem is he hasn't described what exactly we'd replace it with other than saying we're going to leave if to the states. but the fact of the matter is some of the prescriptions that he's offered like letting you buy insurance across state lines, there's no indication that that somehow is going to help someone who's got a pre-existing condition be able to finally buy insurance. in fact, it's estimated that by repealing obama care you're looking at 50 million people losing health insurance at a time when it's vitally important. >> let's let the governor explain what you would do if obama care is repealed. how would you replace it? >> actually, it's a lengthy description but number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. that's already offered in the private marketplace. you don't have to have the government mandate to for that to occu
governor romney says we should replace it. i'm just going to repeal it but we can replace it with something. but the problem is he hasn't described what exactly we'd replace it with other than saying we're going to leave if to the states. but the fact of the matter is some of the prescriptions that he's offered like letting you buy insurance across state lines, there's no indication that that somehow is going to help someone who's got a pre-existing condition be able to finally buy insurance....
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pundits agree that governor romney won the presidential debate. and the challenger coming again or will the story change. testimony us if you are on team biden and romney, why. and tweet your answers and i will read your responses later in this hour. >> this fox news alert. two u.s. service members died in insurgent attack in eastern afghanistan. just last week u.s. marked a somber mile tone with 2000us troops killed in the ongoing conflict. it comes amid strong words with leon panetta with amid karzai . he claimed that the allied forces are not doing enough. now panetta said karzai should focus on what nato troops have done in sacrifice for helping his country. >> it would be helpful if the president would express his thanks for the sacrifices that were made by those who fought and died for afghanistan rather than critize . >> panetta offering up his thoughts in a trip to peru. he will head to brussels for the talks on the road ahead in afghanistan and continuing troop withdrawals. >>> and attackings by members of the afghan forces against the na
pundits agree that governor romney won the presidential debate. and the challenger coming again or will the story change. testimony us if you are on team biden and romney, why. and tweet your answers and i will read your responses later in this hour. >> this fox news alert. two u.s. service members died in insurgent attack in eastern afghanistan. just last week u.s. marked a somber mile tone with 2000us troops killed in the ongoing conflict. it comes amid strong words with leon panetta...
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because governor romney did a good thing. working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model and as a consequence, people are covered there. it hasn't destroyed jobs. and as a consequence, we now have a system in which we have the opportunity to start bringing down costs, as opposed to just leaving millions of people out in the cold. >> your five seconds went away a long time ago. governor, tell the president directly why you think what he just said is wrong about obama care. >> well, i did with my first statement but i'll go on. >> you did. please elaborate. >> i'll elaborate. exactly right. first of all, i like the way we did it in massachusetts. i like the fact that in my state we had republicans and democrats come together and work together. what you did instead was to push through a plan without a single republican vote. as a matter of fact, when massachusetts did something quite extraordinary, elected a republican senator to stop obama care, you pushed it through anyway. the so entirel
because governor romney did a good thing. working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model and as a consequence, people are covered there. it hasn't destroyed jobs. and as a consequence, we now have a system in which we have the opportunity to start bringing down costs, as opposed to just leaving millions of people out in the cold. >> your five seconds went away a long time ago. governor, tell the president directly why you think what he just said is...
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governor romney's plan may work for you. math, common sense, and our history shows us that is not a recipe for job growth. we have tried both approaches. the approach that governor romney is talking about is the same sales pitch that was made in 2001 and 2003. we ended up with the slowest job growth and 50 years. we ended up living from surplus to deficits. it culminated in the worst financial crisis since the great depression. bill clinton tried the approach i am talking about. we created 23 million new jobs, but from deficit to surplus, and businesses did well. in some ways we have some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans. i believe that the economy works best when middle-class families are getting tax breaks and those of us who have done well because of this magnificent country we live in that we can afford to do more to make sure we are not blowing up the deficit. >> he gets the first word of that segment. let me make this comment. let me repeat what i said. i am not in favo
governor romney's plan may work for you. math, common sense, and our history shows us that is not a recipe for job growth. we have tried both approaches. the approach that governor romney is talking about is the same sales pitch that was made in 2001 and 2003. we ended up with the slowest job growth and 50 years. we ended up living from surplus to deficits. it culminated in the worst financial crisis since the great depression. bill clinton tried the approach i am talking about. we created 23...
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but let's go back to what governor romney indicated. under his plan, he would be able to cover people with pre-existing conditions. well, actually, governor, that isn't what your plan dis. what your plan does is to duplicate what is already the law, which says, if you are out of length insurance for 3 months, then you can end up getting continuous coverage and an insurance company can't deny you if it's been under 90 days. but that's already the law. that doesn't help the millions of people out there with pre-existing conscience. there is a reason why governor romney set up the plan that he did in massachusetts. it wasn't a government takeover of health care. it was the largest expansion of private insurance. but what it does say is that insurers, have you to take everybody. now, that also means have you more customers. but when governor romney says he will replace it with something, but can't detail how it will be in fact replaced and the reason he set up the system he did in massachusetts was because there isn't a better way of dealin
but let's go back to what governor romney indicated. under his plan, he would be able to cover people with pre-existing conditions. well, actually, governor, that isn't what your plan dis. what your plan does is to duplicate what is already the law, which says, if you are out of length insurance for 3 months, then you can end up getting continuous coverage and an insurance company can't deny you if it's been under 90 days. but that's already the law. that doesn't help the millions of people out...
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he has interests advice for governor romney. he said, the rom knee campaign is not in a state of disarray. it never got aarrayed in the first place. a big victory for democrats in pennsylvania. a judge blocks the state's controversial voter i.d. law from taking effect this november. what happens next year? i'll talk with co-director of the advancement project who is fighting against the voter i.d. laws in pennsylvania and other state, and the boston globe cynthia needham will talk about the big debate in massachusetts, a war of words between warren and brown. outside where they were debating supporters from both sides going at it. we'll show you the video. now we need a little bit more... a little bit more vanilla? this is great! [ male announcer ] at humana, we believe there's never been a better time to share your passions... because the results... are you having fun doing this? yeah. that's a very nice cake! [ male announcer ] well, you can't beat them. [ giggles ] ohh! you got something huh? whoa... [ male announcer ] humana
he has interests advice for governor romney. he said, the rom knee campaign is not in a state of disarray. it never got aarrayed in the first place. a big victory for democrats in pennsylvania. a judge blocks the state's controversial voter i.d. law from taking effect this november. what happens next year? i'll talk with co-director of the advancement project who is fighting against the voter i.d. laws in pennsylvania and other state, and the boston globe cynthia needham will talk about the big...
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because governor romney did a good thing. working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model and as a consequence, people are covered there. it hasn't destroyed jobs. and as a consequence, we now have a system in which we have the opportunity to start bringing down costs, as opposed to just leaving millions of people out in the cold. >> your five seconds went away a long time ago. governor tell the president directly why you think what he just said is wrong about obama care. >> well, i did with my first statement but i'll go on. >> you did. please elaborate. >> exactly. first of all, i like the way we did it in massachusetts. i liked the fact that in my state we had republicans and democrats come together and work together. what you did instead was to push through a plan without a single republican vote. as a matter of fact when massachusetts did something quite extraordinary, elected a republican senator to stop obama care, you pushed it through anyway. the so entirely on a partisan basis,
because governor romney did a good thing. working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model and as a consequence, people are covered there. it hasn't destroyed jobs. and as a consequence, we now have a system in which we have the opportunity to start bringing down costs, as opposed to just leaving millions of people out in the cold. >> your five seconds went away a long time ago. governor tell the president directly why you think what he just said is...
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we have this again. >> governor romney, last night, people say he mangled the truth to put it gently. the obama campaign -- they did a smart thing today. got up bright and early this morning realizing they took a loss last night and began pointing out where governor romney had not said what he said before, had not stuck to the truth. however, we learned again last night, if we needed reminding, that there's power in taking the view. listen, i'm frequently in error, but never in doubt. i believe what i'm telling you. and that carries its own power and strength. >> especially when you're talking to 50 million or 60 million people at a time. that is a perfect segue to everything we're doing in the rest of the hour on this show. dan rather, always such an honor to have you. >> thank you, rachel. enjoy to be on. >> "dan rather reports" is on axs tv. okay. we'll be right back. >>> okay. we do not expect from the romney campaign and their surrogates any level of subtlety anymore when it comes to dog whistling about the president's race. newt gingrich -- >> i'm assuming there's some rhythm to
we have this again. >> governor romney, last night, people say he mangled the truth to put it gently. the obama campaign -- they did a smart thing today. got up bright and early this morning realizing they took a loss last night and began pointing out where governor romney had not said what he said before, had not stuck to the truth. however, we learned again last night, if we needed reminding, that there's power in taking the view. listen, i'm frequently in error, but never in doubt. i...
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now, governor romney said he wants to repeal dodd-frank. and i appreciate and it appears we have some agreement that a marketplace to work has to have some regulation. but in the past, governor romney says he wants to repeal dodd-frank, roll it back. so the question is, does anybody out there think that the big problem we had is that there was too much oversight and regulation of wall street? because if you do, then governor romney is your candidate. but that's not -- >> sorry, jim. >> -- what i believe. >> that's just not the facts. we have to have regulation on wall street. that's why i'd have regulation, but i wouldn't designate five banks too big and fail and give them a blank check. that's one of the inuntended consequences of dodd-frank, it wasn't thought through properly. we need to get rid of it, it's hurting regionally small banks, they're getting hurt. another regulation, we were giving mortgages to people who weren't qualified. exactly right. one of the reasons for the great financial calamity we had. and dodd-frank says we need
now, governor romney said he wants to repeal dodd-frank. and i appreciate and it appears we have some agreement that a marketplace to work has to have some regulation. but in the past, governor romney says he wants to repeal dodd-frank, roll it back. so the question is, does anybody out there think that the big problem we had is that there was too much oversight and regulation of wall street? because if you do, then governor romney is your candidate. but that's not -- >> sorry, jim....